Posts by Half banana

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Watchtower's unscriptual boasting about works

by Diogenesister in

nothing big here, just a little musing on this scripture at ephesians 2.8-9 that definately states that only faith saves, not works, in case men start to boast about their amazing works.

"8for by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of god, 9not of works, that no one would boast.

well my word, i would definately say witnesses *do nothing but boast*, especially now on jw broadcast.

Half banana

Narcissists who make up and broadcast self praise.... Yuch!

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Study article for this week, more self delusion

by stillin in

"set your heart on spiritual treasures.

" i have been thinking about this during the past week.

i always knew that there were no treasures on earth.

Half banana

Spiritual treasures indeed, Watchtower illusions would be more accurate.

But we have all got to the point of kicking ourselves for believing their silly stories.

Why do you keep attending Stillin?

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The most successful teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses and an amazing new book on the divine name

by slimboyfat in

jehovah's witnesses have had to revise their chronology and various doctrinal interpretations due to events and scholarly corrections.

but the one teaching where they have been consistently ahead of the curve is the importance of jehovah's name.. .

i'm going to run through a (necessarily selective) timeline of jw events and scholarly publications that demonstrate the phenomenal success of this teaching in the last days.

It really is important to understand how the Bible was foisted on the Roman subjects and how the ideas of God and his son came direct from pagan belief, and this I suggest is the basis for the strange and permanent ambiguity of Jesus (or the Christ figure) with his father or the conflation of Jesus with God.

Both the father and his son were the Sun gods in antiquity, that was according to the universal rustic myths on which the Bible drew strength and popularity. After sanctifying a specific selection of manuscripts by imperial order, (making the Bible) the new Catholic church proscribed all former texts. This event explains the absence of manuscripts which would have exposed their devious methods. In the main we do not have the source material available because it was deliberately destroyed and made a subject of heavy penalty to be found possessing them. The tangible link between pagan tales and the Bible was severed and censured by the Catholic Church in the interests of empire and raising the sacred status of their new Bible canon.

There is no ultimate arbiter for any religious doctrine. The reason being that they are not about reality, only partisan interpretations of text. That is why the discussion of conflicting Biblical meanings grind on through the centuries getting absolutely nowhere. No growth, no development! It truly is a distraction from the more important and solvable problems of being human.

God and Jesus are primitive fictions for people snagged in a childhood mentality of subservient obedience.

Personally, apart from deconstructing the reasons for their inclusion, I am completely tired of the utter folly of trying to find meaningful information from unprovable words of unprovable spirits. The Bible is not the answer to human problems, it creates them.

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Watchtower rips off Disney

by BluesBrother in

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no doubt this point has been made before but i see no harm in emphasising it.

my family heard on the grapevine that "the society" had people who used to animate for disney.

well , if that is true , it certainly shows.

Half banana

Well if truth doesn't work any longer then cuteness might bring in the punters!

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Returning to the truth.

by Justmeok2 in

hi i am just starting to rebuild my relationship with jehovah.

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i would like to hear from people who may be or have been in similar situations and now want to dedicate their lives to him..

Half banana

Justme, have a think about the evidence for what JWs say "truth" is. Is there evidence?

Is there evidence for Adam and Eve? Is there evidence for evolution?

The whole earth beneath our feet tell the story of evolution.The succession of enormous periods of changing geological landscape containing small and giant creatures which have lived and died, some of which we are closely descended from.

This is a scientific fact not guesswork. There is plenty of evidence and by that I mean billions of pieces of fossil remains and whole skeletons to demonstrate the truth that Darwin was right and that the Bible only contains folk tales about the origins of mankind.

Did Noah's flood happen? There is scientific evidence that it did not happen! It is another Bible story, not truth.

JWs teachings are all guesswork, no hard evidence whatsoever. They have always been wrong in their predictions. They have always had to change their guesswork beliefs because they stop sounding credible after a few years. For seventy or so years they said Armageddon was coming in the lifetime of those who saw 1914. Then they cover over the traces and say it is only our new interpretation that is right; Jesus meant not "generation" but overlapping generations! Can you really believe this is "Truth"?

Only believe things for which there is evidence...Don't become a slave to other peoples hype!

Just some things for you to consider while you are thinking hard at this time and best wishes to you.

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The special talk is now BEFORE the Memorial

by wifibandit in

august 11, 2017 to all bodies of elders re: 2018 memorial invitations and date of special talk .

fyi:.

the 2018 memorial will be held on saturday, march 31, 2018.. the 2019 memorial will be held on friday, april 19, 2019..

Half banana

If you are swimming far from any shore in a vast and featureless ocean-- and a turd floats by-- that is special!

Doubly special if it has a little JWorg flag planted in it.

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Kids ... and baptism.

by Tallon in

i have noticed, from reading posts on this and other related websites, what to me is an alarming practice taking place within the jw's.

and that is the baptism of kids.. on a recent discussion posted by pe ( video of the girl now forced to shun her sister) this child was baptised at 9 years old.

all of us who were baptised at a much older age know of the many questions one needs to give serious consideration and understanding of to become eligible for baptism, not to mention the two baptism questions asked before being dunked.. surely the organisation must know that children of such a young age are not mature enough to fully grasp the seriousness, demands and consequences of making such a decision.. another point; if jesus is the example to follow, then why did he only get baptised at age 30, and he was perfect!.

Half banana

Getting baptised in childhood is a cruel trap sprung by JW org in order to retain members. Their literature however railed against the evils of infant baptism in other religions for years.

Too bad that you were too young to understand what you were doing! We've got you now and its tough luck. You wanted to get baptised in the first place, nobody forced you (except the expectation of parents, friends, relatives) and if you change your mind we will get everyone to shun you.................

This cultic behaviour should be publicised as an example of one of their unconscionable practices.

They could easily make a general rule that baptism should only be at an age when independence from parents could be attained say eighteen but no, baptism at nine years old! How can anyone be held to promises of lifetime commitments made at the age of nine? Only in the JWs!

Of course if they did suggest a minimum age of eighteen, the numbers of JWs would plummet.

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Instructions to remove old WT information from kh libraries

by Half banana in

a pimo friend (physically in mentally out) has just informed me that the cult has decided that they want to suppress all old jw org information by removing bound volumes etc from kh libraries.. in reality, all through their history they have claimed divine "new light" as a means of changing uncomfortable doctrines.

this however would mean that new jws, or more likely these days young jws, will be prevented from seeing the old light which had been held up as divinely inspired truth in the past.. truth which would get you through big a and which if you didn't agree with would get you disfellowshipped.. anyone else heard of this?

what might be the reasons (if true) for removing the old wts?.

Half banana

Libraries may simply be old light?

What is important is to have the new sanitised electronic history of the Watchtower cult. Where past mistakes can always be erased or modified to conform to the sunny uplands of paradise thinking.

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Me and my schools band

by Akid48 in

so i made this to take off some of the anxiety of what i have to tell all my friends when i have to go to my band camp i have to go to.. so i play tuba in my school i love it i had made friends that are now close friends.so i am number 1 or 2 when it comes to how good we play so when placements for what band your in for next year i was put in to honors band my aunt said good job but when we went to the meeting for it she got mad saying she thinks it to much for me going into school early than i do staying at school later and some things she said was right but the thing that got her mad is that i might not be able to go to the meetings after home work etc and she went more into the jw things on school.. the thing that gets me mad is that know i have to think of a way to tell my friends that i im out of honors band because of jw reasons.. one more thing is i cant do many things i suck at sports and many more butt playing the tuba was the one thing i could say im good at than video games but it seems like at high school i might have to drop it :(.

Half banana

Brilliant Kid! don't let your well meaning aunt spoil your talent for music.

Surely it's only occasionally that a rehearsal or performance would conflict with a meeting time?

I regret to this day having given up college study to pioneer instead. My suggestion to you is that you fix your focus on doing what you do best-- and that looks like playing the tuba--not yawning at JW mind-bending sessions.

Tell your aunt you love her all the same!

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Exposing the Core Premise of JW False Teaching

by TerryWalstrom in

poison is at work in any argument with jehovah's witnesses.

this poison has little to do with the beauty of watchtower logic or the tasty morsels of jw reasoning.. the poison is odorless and tasteless and it has absorbed into their core premise: scripture interpretation directed by jehovah.. if you buy into the core premise (somebody possesses a divinely granted access to an infallible source of truth) you are already dead in the water.. that is the deal breaker.

false premises lead always to false conclusions.. stop right here.. the core misrepresentation of christianity solely rests in accepting the bible as the inerrant word of almighty god.

Half banana

Dweather; "the Bible says that the word of God would be preserved". Such a statement is characteristic with the craft of the scribe who is compelled to do the work of his master. Manuscript copies are fundamentally flawed in their ability to clinically transmit the text of the original writer.

The very reason why so many stories were concocted to plead the fidelity of copyists is because it was impossible to keep texts free from alteration with the human instinct to modify one with personal or sectarian biases.

One would be naive to imagine that there is an original Bible other than the first compilation of selected texts sacralised by the Roman Catholic bishops in the fourth century. Much of which was then recently syncretized or adapted to conform to the imperial demands for an orthodoxy of belief in the Roman world. This was, after all, the very meaning of catholic, i.e. a universal all encompassing belief system, which later emperors enforced on pain of death.

"Knowledge is power" but it has always been the powerful who determine what the knowledge should be.